Understanding Extra Lessons with Kip McGrath · Episode 08

#08 Learning barriers - Special needs

6 February 2022 · 6 min · as at 2022-02-06

Presenter (host)

Themes: Defining special needs · Choosing the right school · Mainstreaming and remedial schooling · Concentration in extra lessons · Multi-sensory learning tools · Exam concessions

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Episode analysis

Analysis by AI, drawn only from this episode; every point links to the moment it rests on.

In this short episode, the presenter asks two Kip McGrath experts, Vishani and Paul (each a Kip McGrath centre owner at the time of recording), how extra lessons work for children with special needs. The expert speaking as S1 says the centres cope with ADHD, autism and hearing or physical disabilities but not braille. He also covers how an educational psychologist defines special needs, choosing a school that can cope, and when mainstreaming may not suit a child. The expert speaking as S2 describes eighty-minute sessions split into short activities and audio, visual and kinesthetic tools. The episode ends on exam concessions such as readers, scribes and extra time.

Key ideas

Lessons

Who it's for

Parents of children with ADHD, Asperger's, autism, visual or hearing impairment or other learning barriers who are weighing extra lessons, school choice, mainstreaming or exam concessions in South Africa.

Facts stated in the episode

Questions this episode answers

In their own words

Longer stretches of the conversation, word for word from the transcript, turn by turn.

What counts as special needs and choosing a school

Note (AI): Explains that an educational psychologist defines special needs, how teaching adapts for Asperger's or visual impairment, and why parents should accept a school's view of what it can handle.

Presenter, host · [00:36]What would be classified these days by schools? I mean, would they say this child needs extra lessons because they've got ADHD? I never thought of ADHD as being a special need. …

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Presenter, host · [00:36]What would be classified these days by schools? I mean, would they say this child needs extra lessons because they've got ADHD? I never thought of ADHD as being a special need.

Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [00:46]It's definitely not defined as a special need. I think most importantly, an educational psychologist will give you a definition, so Asperger's is a form of special need. The child won't make eye contact. You Need to take that into consideration when you're doing a speech. That child is not going to look at the audience, they're going to look down. Then you adapt your teaching style and your learning style for that child. The other one is they struggle to do the spelling or visually impaired, then they have tunnel vision. They can still be in a mainstream school, but they need assistance on the whiteboard or on a piece of paper.

Presenter, host · [01:25]How do you tell when a child is actually able to be mainstreamed? I know that there's a lot of schools where they'll take the kids and put them into the smaller classes where you have one teacher working with a lot fewer children, and then they will mainstream them back into the main school again.

Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [01:39]I think if you're in a private school, then the concessions for that child is dependent on the school's capability of handling it. And I'm going to use a very straightforward example for you. If you're going to end up in high school and you've got subject choice, and they don't offer science, that might not be the high school for you. If the school can't cope with your special need, Then it's probably not the right school for your child. They will tell you if they can do a full service education for your child or they can't, and respect that. Don't force something on them which they can't cope with.

Mainstreaming, eighty-minute sessions and learning tools

Note (AI): Covers when mainstreaming may not suit a child, how a session is split into short activities for concentration, and the audio, visual and kinesthetic tools used.

Presenter, host · [02:11]But now if you've had a child that's been into a special needs school and is now being mainstreamed again, what happens with that child when they suddenly realize that they're not actually coping? …

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Presenter, host · [02:11]But now if you've had a child that's been into a special needs school and is now being mainstreamed again, what happens with that child when they suddenly realize that they're not actually coping?

Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [02:21]So the, the assessment here right at the beginning when the school takes them in will probably establish that. But the emotional wellbeing of the child is important, and the parent needs to then realize we can't mainstream this child. We'll have to stay in a remedial school environment.

Presenter, host · [02:37]Have you had a case where you've had parents who have come in and said, look, you know, okay, we're mainstreaming the child, but just to give the, a bit of a boost?

Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [02:44]Yes, definitely. So our programs are geared to help with learning barriers, but we really review it on a case by case. So it really depends on how special the needs are. In terms of concentration, the way in which our extra lessons are conducted is in an eighty-minute session, but then that eighty-minute session is further split into smaller durations, and they will not be doing the same thing for the full eighty minutes. So in that eighty minutes, we do, for example, six activities to ensure that the child is concentrating and understanding that particular concept before moving on to another concept and so on. So that sort of helps with the concentration, as well as the way in which our center is laid out. So the decor is at Are their distractions, so we really, really work on concentration spectrum of the child.

Presenter, host · [03:32]What kind of learning tools do you use with these children?

Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [03:36]Audio tools, so they need to listen to things. We use visual tools such as colorful books and songs and computer activities, as well as kinesthetic work. For example, if they come in for English, then they would use kinesthetic books to sort of feel what an A feels like.

How exam concessions like readers and scribes work

Note (AI): Sets out the concession process in South Africa: readers, scribes, extra time, the role of the educational psychologist, and the need to apply formally with proof.

Presenter, host · [03:54]So how exactly do you deal with special needs children? …

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Presenter, host · [03:54]So how exactly do you deal with special needs children?

Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [03:57]It is up to the parent. We can certainly advise and guide the parent. They would need that, concession process to be followed, so the child gets a reader or a scribe. During the exams or during class tests, and that is very specifically defined by the educational psychologist, we will support the educational psychologist's review in terms of what we've seen academically to child performing.

Presenter, host · [04:21]What is a reader or a scribe?

Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [04:22]Concessions is something that's legislated within South Africa for all learners, and you get qualified to get a specific concession. So, for example, if you're blind, you'll get a concession that you have a reader, somebody reading the paper to you. The same thing will apply in a normal school. If you're struggling to read or have any other visual impairment, for example, Asperger's, you might get a concession for a reader and a scribe. The other term that's used is amnesis. That means you're getting both, a reader and a scribe. Another concession that gets referred to often is extra time. That is also a concession, but again, you have to apply formally through that process and get the actual proof that you need it in each phase.

Presenter, host · [05:04]So, for instance, if you have a child that's got cerebral palsy and has affected their hands and they Right, would you have somebody then writing for that child?

Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [05:11]Correct. And that, again, the concession would dictate what you get.

Quotes

“We don't do braille. There are different schools for that.”
— Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [00:18]
“Then you adapt your teaching style and your learning style for that child.”
— Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [01:07]
“If the school can't cope with your special need, Then it's probably not the right school for your child.”
— Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [01:56]
“Don't force something on them which they can't cope with.”
— Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [02:08]
“But the emotional wellbeing of the child is important,”
— Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [02:27]
“they will not be doing the same thing for the full eighty minutes.”
— Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [03:07]
“they would use kinesthetic books to sort of feel what an A feels like.”
— Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [03:49]
“Concessions is something that's legislated within South Africa for all learners,”
— Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [04:22]
“bring your child in for an assessment, and then we can see if we can align and be the most suitable environment for their needs.”
— Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [05:28]

What was said, by topic

Defining special needs

“In extra lessons, we can definitely cope with special needs, but obviously there are limitations. We don't do braille. There are different schools for that.”
— Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [00:13]
“The special needs that you're probably thinking of is ADHD, the autistic children, maybe disabled or hard of hearing, and those type of children we definitely cope with on a regular and a daily basis, so you can bring them along to our centers.”
— Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [00:21]
“It's definitely not defined as a special need. I think most importantly, an educational psychologist will give you a definition, so Asperger's is a form of special need.”
— Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [00:46]
“The child won't make eye contact. You Need to take that into consideration when you're doing a speech. That child is not going to look at the audience, they're going to look down. Then you adapt your teaching style and your learning style for that child.”
— Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [00:57]
“We are geared to help with most of the special needs. It is a case-by-case system, but bring your child in for an assessment, and then we can see if we can align and be the most suitable environment for their needs.”
— Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [05:23]

Mainstreaming and remedial schooling

“The other one is they struggle to do the spelling or visually impaired, then they have tunnel vision. They can still be in a mainstream school, but they need assistance on the whiteboard or on a piece of paper.”
— Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [01:11]
“I know that there's a lot of schools where they'll take the kids and put them into the smaller classes where you have one teacher working with a lot fewer children, and then they will mainstream them back into the main school again.”
— Presenter, host · [01:28]
“the assessment here right at the beginning when the school takes them in will probably establish that. But the emotional wellbeing of the child is important, and the parent needs to then realize we can't mainstream this child. We'll have to stay in a remedial school environment.”
— Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [02:22]
“So there are special needs, and there are special needs. Some of them you can handle, and some of them need to go to a different kind of remediation.”
— Presenter, host · [05:15]

Choosing the right school

“I think if you're in a private school, then the concessions for that child is dependent on the school's capability of handling it.”
— Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [01:39]
“If you're going to end up in high school and you've got subject choice, and they don't offer science, that might not be the high school for you.”
— Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [01:50]
“If the school can't cope with your special need, Then it's probably not the right school for your child. They will tell you if they can do a full service education for your child or they can't, and respect that. Don't force something on them which they can't cope with.”
— Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [01:56]

Concentration in extra lessons

“So our programs are geared to help with learning barriers, but we really review it on a case by case. So it really depends on how special the needs are.”
— Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [02:45]
“the way in which our extra lessons are conducted is in an eighty-minute session, but then that eighty-minute session is further split into smaller durations, and they will not be doing the same thing for the full eighty minutes.”
— Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [02:57]
“So in that eighty minutes, we do, for example, six activities to ensure that the child is concentrating and understanding that particular concept before moving on to another concept and so on.”
— Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [03:10]
“So that sort of helps with the concentration, as well as the way in which our center is laid out. So the decor is at Are their distractions, so we really, really work on concentration spectrum of the child.”
— Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [03:20]

Multi-sensory learning tools

“Audio tools, so they need to listen to things. We use visual tools such as colorful books and songs and computer activities, as well as kinesthetic work.”
— Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [03:36]
“For example, if they come in for English, then they would use kinesthetic books to sort of feel what an A feels like.”
— Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [03:46]

Exam concessions

“It is up to the parent. We can certainly advise and guide the parent. They would need that, concession process to be followed, so the child gets a reader or a scribe.”
— Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [03:57]
“During the exams or during class tests, and that is very specifically defined by the educational psychologist, we will support the educational psychologist's review in terms of what we've seen academically to child performing.”
— Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [04:09]
“Concessions is something that's legislated within South Africa for all learners, and you get qualified to get a specific concession. So, for example, if you're blind, you'll get a concession that you have a reader, somebody reading the paper to you.”
— Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [04:22]
“If you're struggling to read or have any other visual impairment, for example, Asperger's, you might get a concession for a reader and a scribe. The other term that's used is amnesis. That means you're getting both, a reader and a scribe.”
— Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [04:39]
“Another concession that gets referred to often is extra time. That is also a concession, but again, you have to apply formally through that process and get the actual proof that you need it in each phase.”
— Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [04:53]

Episode notes (as published)

From the episode notes published with the podcast.

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